Celebrating the Imperfections (Kristy Jo on the Sugar Freedom Show)
Dear Body Buds,
Are you tired of looking at your body’s imperfections and flaws and feeling upset? Are you ready to change your perspective and feel ALIVE, enthused, and confident in your body?
In August 2016 I had the privilege of being interviewed by Catherine Gordon of the Sugar Freedom Show.
In this episode we discussed imperfections, how to look past flaws, and how to do better without pursuing perfection (an unattainable goal!).
Catherine: Welcome to the Sugar Freedom Show. I’m your host, Catherine Gordon, and I’m here today with Kristy Jo Hunt. ’m so excited because Kristy Jo has experience in nutrition, fitness, and coaching, and also, has an experience of one of my favorite things in the world – dance! Of course, we’re going to focus on nutrition, coaching, and exercise today because I know that’s what you guys listen to the Sugar Freedom Show for. But I look forward to talking with Kristy Jo and getting to talk about different aspects of our lives to keep us inspired, to keep going with our healthy lifestyle. So now, I’m going to say hi, Kristy Jo. How are you today?
Kristy Jo: I am doing fantastic, Catherine! Thank you and hello to all the Sugar Freedom podcast listeners!
Catherine: Well, I’m so very glad you’re here because one of the things that brought me into my coaching and nutrition and training journey was when I was trying to find a way to become fit and healthy myself, I was looking all around for women like me who were out there in the real world who are trying to find ways of getting healthy and fit.
So I get very excited when I get to talk to other women who are in the business, and who are doing exactly that – finding ways to communicate health and fitness to their audiences.
So, the first thing that I always ask when I talk to new people on my podcast is what inspired you to become a health and fitness professional?
Kristy Jo: Oh, that’s a question that I love to answer because I think many people will resonate with this. Ever since I was very young, ever since I was probably 9 or 10 years old, I was very active. I love playing sport, I love running, playing knight games, soccer, basketball. At the age 12, I fell in love with dance, and that was, oh my goodness, my heart just bled it.
I was actually offered a scholarship to dance for free by a local dance teacher. We couldn’t afford it at the time in a very large family. And so, it was a gift to be able to learn to dance. So that became a big part of my life. Well, I was also very aware, I don’t want to pin it on dance, but I just admit, I’m a person who is very observant. I was very aware that the magazine, that lines at the checkout counter at the grocery store were covered with women that look really awesome!
In my mind I looked at them and I thought, oh, my gosh! That’s awesome! I want to look like that. And then, I look at the dancer with their beautiful bodies, and I want it. I wanted to achieve that type of a body.
Well, to make a very long story short, 10 years went by of trying and learning, and reading all of these books on how to achieve this “perfect body” that led me down a very dark hole of very, very obsessive dieting, restricting, bingeing, purging and obsessive exercise – in pursuit of that perfect body.
It’s kind of interesting segue into how did I get into this fitness experience. Well, in 2010, I thought that to solve this problem that I should become a personal trainer. I thought that will fix it. And so, I started training clients and teaching them and of course loving to learn and study even more for their bodies and hoping — expecting, because you know, if someone is a trainer, I’ll be fault to just to look good?
Well, I was sadly mistaken, and I kept going down this path of frustration and self-loathing. It was a very dark place to be. Until 2012, when I was at the darkest point I’ve ever been mentally, emotionally, spiritually, physically, and I was driving down the road In a very deep funk of a depression and I heard a voice, and this voice said, “You are the master of yourself.”
I thought I was crazy and I looked in the rearview mirror, like, ”Okay girl, now you’re really lying. You’re out there.” And it came again, and it was just a feeling of peace and clarity that I was the master of myself and this was my time to take control.
And that started first with my journey. After I started to figure things out, I begun a blog, a Facebook page. I never had an intention of starting a business but things just happened. I ended up writing a book, and badda-bing-badda-boom! Four years later, I run an online coaching business and I’m sharing my message everywhere I get the chance
Catherine: Well that is absolutely splendid and what the story, because I know, my mother used to call the voices in your head that tell you you’re not good enough. You called those the gray thoughts. I think many women were dealing with this voice in our head, and this voice from outside that is constantly telling us that we’re not good enough, that you got to get thinner, you got to look better. You got to be perfect.
And I think what a glorious thing that you had this experience of this new voice – this other voice – coming into your life and saying, ‘You are the master of yourself’, and the voices on the outside and the media that they are not in control of you.
I think, what a glorious thing to realize. The big question is, Kristy Jo, what was it – what about that feeling of peace and that transition? What are you doing differently NOW that’s clearly is making your life and all symbolizes the people you’ve worked with better and different?
Kristy Jo: I love how you talk about the different source of those voices. And I didn’t really plan on going too much into spirituality but there is a level of that that I think really integrates into our nutrition and fitness journey.
I’m a very space-driven person. What I’d like to suggest to people, and what has changed my life truly, I think the phrase is overused, but in this case, I’m absolutely going to use it because my life has changed. I’m a completely different person – is that I learned how to not only recognize that master voice, the quiet and calm voice and to invite it to everyday, intentionally invite it into my life through.
For me, that would be academic reading of scriptures, prayer and meditation. Instead of letting my brain being victim and a passive recipient of the media, of the voices that are out there, and to learning how to protect myself, and to really put this wall of — just honing in on who I wanted to be and only inviting those messages in that would build me to be a better person. That’s really what it came down to.
Catherine: Well you know what? Since we’re going into this area about what is true and what is false in trying to find the truth in health and fitness, one of the things that Is of great concern to me, Kristy Jo, is there seems to have been this divergence, this split between what is healthy and what is fashionable.
If we look at fashion and if we look at actual size, body fat percentage (measurement) of the women in the media – whether they are runway models, or even Victoria’s Secret Models. When look at what is actually, I mean you and I, we are both certified personal trainers, and I think you are also a certified nutrition specialist. Is this true?
Catherine: Well from my studies, if we are actually studying the literature and the research, my understanding of what a healthy body fat percentage is for an adult female is completely different from what we are being shown in the media. Did you find that you have come to terms with what was a media status body and what was a real healthy body? Did you have to confront that question?
Kristy Jo: Oh, absolutely. That’s the journey of itself. I’ll tell you a little more about this 4-year journey I’ve been on. When I first had that voice at the time, the best knowledge I had was, oh, I need to compete because that would be self-mastery. I wanted to compete in figure competition.
I’ve had trainers telling me, “You have an incredible building physique. Why are you not competing?” I laugh because they didn’t know about the secret, very problematic eating disorders I was dealing with.
And so I thought that that was triumph by beginning to compete. I thought that was triumph. I thought that was it.
Oh no! Four years later, I’m telling you, that was the beginning of the journey. That was the beginning. And so what happened, I learned how to get shredded. I learned how to get reps. I learned how to get muscular, and control my body on a very specific level.
And to world, because of the way that media works to the world, I looked like I had it, that I had achieved that pinnacle, that goal of what everybody’s after. But inside, there was something still missing and it literally took four years of coaching over 1500 other people with every new person I learned little bit more. I gained a little new insight about what was real, about what might change in.
I have to reprogram the way that I viewed my body and success. I had to change what — when I looked in the magazine, the words instead of ‘Wow, that’s awesome. I want to look like that’, instead of ‘Oh, they’ve just depleted and peaked’.
And looking at it for what it truly is – and it’s not like a crutch or an excuse, it’s reality of what is required – and you talked about runway models. That’s a totally different body type, right, that you number one have to have genetics, second of all, you don’t eat–you’re malnourished. It’s a fact!
Unfortunately, causing so many of our younger girls, the place where I just came from, they viewed that and they’re showing these images. All they see is, ‘Oh, I want to be like that’. They put value on having a body that the world is applauding. But what they don’t understand – what I didn’t, but I do now, is how marketing works.
This entire world is run by marketing and by dollars and anything that’s going to get the public emotionally swayed – if you can sway the public to get emotional or feel badly about themselves, you can get them to buy you products. That’s how this world works. That’s why the media is the way it is, and if we don’t have the eyes to see through it, we don’t recognize it for what it is.
So, in the midst of starting to really discover this, I ended up coaching over 50 people. I have a natural bodybuilding team and last November, I hit another deep depression. I thought, what on Earth? I thought I fixed this. What is going on?
Catherine: And this again.
Kristy Jo: It took me. I moved out in the middle of nowhere. I took two months and stepped away from everything. I was like, what on earth is happening? Because if this is going to destroy you, you shut down your business right now. In that two months, I discovered very much so through a lot of prayer, meditation and wonderful people in my life. It was time to disband the bodybuilding team and to change my focus. . . and to fall in love with my softer, beautiful body.
And it has been the most incredible – for about six months since then — I still, yes, I look in the mirror and I still have to challenge. I change the thought of “You lost it. You don’t look as good as you used to or you could.”
I challenged those thoughts and say, “Oh, really? Is that my subconscious talking or is that reality?” I think that is important for every person listening to this show today is that to learn how to challenge the “voices” because we have all been conditioned by the voices of the media, by people that we think are experts –anything that we look up to. The more we listen, the more we allow their message to internalize and become ours. But, let’s discover what our own truth is – which, my own truth is if I feel fantastic at 155 pounds, and I look ripped at a 145, and it’s time for me to love my 155. It’s achieving that beau—
Catherine: Wow! That seemed just so exciting!
Kristy Jo: It is! It’s freedom. It’s such a journey that so many people, I think, got caught in this day today, you know, it’s like a 3, 6, 8-week – whatever it is, you are going to be happy at the end of that. First of all, happiness is a state. I bet you agree with that, Catherine, right?
Catherine: Yeah, yeah. If you —
Kristy Jo: it’s an attitude.
Catherine: But one of the things that I do want to talk about is I absolutely love the concept of connecting your health and your Fitness to your life purpose and also to your spiritual truth and to the truth about beauty. If you really look at the science, and you look at the science of good health we can see that there has been outrageous disconnect between what gets you healthy and what gets you shredded.
But, I think this is a great opportunity for us to start talking about what does the kind of truly optimal and truly life fulfilling eating, and training, and fitness. What does that look like? If we really get interested, truly interested in beauty, health, and eating a diet that allows us to have a fulfilling life, what are some of the choices that we can make, in your experience nutritionally, that lead us to that full healthy life?
Kristy Jo: In that healthy life – when we think about that, I think it is very important to work inside and we assess feelings of how our body is reacting rather than assessment of an external level, like, a scale or photos or you know how we look in the mirror.
When we start to approach our nutrition in that level, I have to. . . I love to see as this ‘power your body’ because it is about putting the fuel in our body to help it be its best.
So, the first key that I tell everybody this – from the postmen, to the lady at the grocery store, whatever it is – I say, “Are you eating your vegetables?”
Catherine: Oh, no!
Kristy Jo: I know it sound so trivial, it sound so trivial and so –like, it’s a no-brainer but do you know, 90% of people talk to aren’t doing it? So, I tried to get people eating a serving of vegetable 6 times a day – breakfast, lunch, dinner, mid-morning, mid-afternoon, and evening.
Leafy greens. 1- 2 times a day at least one serving of crisp-fresh vegetables like our broccoli, cabbage or cauliflower, and a serving of water-based vegetables like celery or bell peppers or cucumbers. Those are really good with breakfast and what it does is #1, it boost energy like crazy!
Secondly, this natural fiber has an incredible detoxing ability to scrape the free radicals from our body. Those free radicals that are pinging around and attacking the things that they shouldn’t be causing inflammation and a precursor to disease. There are many, many amazing things that begin to happen with that simple baby steps to our nutrition – eating our vegetables every day.
Catherine: I think this is so exciting because this is, you know, I have been professionally in this fitness world since 2012 now. And this is the thing, I think over, and over, and over, is that vegetables are the key. And if you don’t mind, one of the things that I see – the first thing that busy women eliminate is they eliminate vegetables. They stop preparing and eating vegetables and they start just reaching for bagels and Frappuccinos.
Kristy Jo: Oh! I grimaced a little!
Catherine: You know what I’m saying?
Kristy Jo: I do.
Catherine: We’re all a little bit guilty. I agree with you 100% – I mean 100%! So what are some of the techniques that we can use in order to ensure that we get those vegetables in everyday?
Kristy Jo: The first thing, I think, is very critical is that we have a planned shopping day. Every single week, it’s on your calendar – it’s just what happens. The only exception is if you are out of town, but then again, bump to another date. So you go and buy the vegetables, first of all. Second of all, I call it “back- at-the-fridge-syndrome.”
How many people have great intentions, and then, if it’s not prepared, easily accessible, you go for the convenient things. We’re living in a fast-paced world and so we have to create the ease.
So one of those things is when we get home from the grocery store – take that 10 to 15 minutes, Get out the cutting board and a knife. Rinse your vegetables. Now, you don’t need to eat all of them raw but I do like people to eat at least two servings raw and you cut those up. You put the baby carrots, you chop up some celery, you cut your cucumber, maybe steam your broccoli or the cauliflower.
You chop up your asparagus, you’re set and ready to throw in the oven and roast.
My grandfather makes the – well, he “made” – he passed away, but I still feel he’s here. But, he made an amazing vegetable salad that he swore by. He passed away. I think 92-years old, so much energy. Incredible! He chopped up broccoli, cauliflower, spinach. A little bit of some apple – he loves the sweetness and he would just put all his favorite vegetables in a big, big, big bowl in the fridge and cover it. Then, every day for breakfast and for dinner, and he would get some of that salad out and that was his base food.
Especially for elderly – it is applicable for every age – but, for elderly it is going to give them some real power as well.
Catherine: Yeah. Forgive me for interrupting you, but I just have to concur that the crazy thing that I suggest to my clients, and I do myself, is this crazy thing we call it ‘vegetables for breakfast’.
Kristy Jo: Right
Catherine: You know what I’m saying? You know, vegetables, they’re not just for dinner anymore. It is almost like, we’re turning our eating upside down. Certainly, many people in the world of fitness, and I think anybody who has ever prepared or coached people to a competition before, the great ‘power food’, you know.
Generally, a lot of people talk about this protein. Can you talk a little bit about protein and what it does for us in the way we can incorporate it into our healthy lifestyle?
Kristy Jo: I think a lot of people kind of grimaced when they hear protein because they natural think bulky-muscles.
Kristy Jo: And not just because of, you know, let’s think marketing and media. Again, what incorrect stories had they caused us to believe. The truth about protein is that every cell in our body needs it in order to resynthesize. You got turn-over happening every day. So everything can’t rebuild and re-synthesize unless you have met proper amount of protein.
Now, protein has amazing level of ability on a biochemical level. It helps our blood sugar to be more stable than in the absence of it.
So what happens is if we eat, let’s say, a carbohydrate-based food. Let’s say, somebody is eating some cereals for breakfast, maybe some Wheat Chex. The blood sugar impact is going to be minimized. It is still there, from the carbohydrates and that glucose uptake, but it is going to be minimized and it is going to be prevented from dropping too rapidly when there is also protein in the system.
I call it ‘anchoring’ – anchoring of blood sugar to take away from the great volatility and so, if we need protein and we need vegetables, then I call it a PV anchor and we try and put that in every meal we are eating to help stabilize the blood sugar.
I’m sure many of your clients have just said, “Catherine, I want sugar, like, I just want something please.”
But, the thing that it’s important, especially because I am very psychologically-minded coach coming from eating disorders, and so I’m very careful not to say that any food is restricted – there is no good or bad food, we strategize them, however.
And so understanding if we are going to indulge in something more carbohydrate, glucose-based, we’ve got to have that protein in there first. And that is a great baby step for people who may not even be doing anything for their nutrition and to start saying, “You know what? Bring in some strategy here.”
Catherine: Especially when you got the vegetables and you’ve got the fiber coming in, then what we are looking – one of the things that I see here, unfortunately, is that sometimes when even something like Wheat Chex when that hits an empty stomach, like you’re saying right now —
Kristy Jo: Oh yeah.
Catherine: We have the blood sugar spikes and then it crashes and then the whole cycle, the craving cycle begins.
Kristy Jo: Right.
Catherine: I think one of the areas that I am a little bit radical is that my abilities to stop my binge eating has come from eating a ketogenic diet in the last eight years. This is just pretty good. That’s the solution that works for me. For people like me who can’t tolerate – really, the only carbohydrates that I tolerate well are vegetables and some low-sugar fruits. And I think, a lot of that came from being coming out of obesity and being overweight inside, you know, battling that since I was child.
I do think that my carbohydrate tolerance is so low. I really can’t tolerate things other than vegetables. So, I think that these are things that you know, for those of us, we are specific population that doesn’t tolerate sugar and starch well.
Kristy Jo: Right, and the Keto lifestyle is fantastic for that.
Catherine: Right. So, in my world, I am eating significantly more fat than–
Kristy Jo: Yeah, of course.
Catherine: Let’s go ahead and talk about the F word – good old fat.
Kristy Jo: Yeah, I love it!
Catherine: Because I know that fat can demonized and how can we come to terms with eating fat? What do you think, Kristy Jo?
Kristy Jo: Well, I know we all have that fear and what’s interesting is, is in my coaching, I’d say, a third of my clients end up going into Ketogenic dieting for their needs and things. I am very much mindful, but most of the time, fats are going to be the predominant and more powerful energy nutrient.
If we look at carbs and fat, they both contribute energy. And so where the carbohydrates – we don’t want to go too deep into the science here but, —
Catherine: No, we don’t have to because certainly, people, I always recommend there’s all kinds of amazing books that they can read to go deep into the science. We’re talking about where the rubber hits the road. So go ahead, you can continue.
Kristy Jo: Yeah, and so, realizing that number 1, fat has been most power over helping your hormones function regularly, especially thyroid, and realizing you’re going to get a lot more satisfaction. My favorite facts about fat, when I learned this and began to feel the difference in my body, it was a huge game changer for me.
So buckle up, everyone! Fats are the only thing that are really going to release the hormone, Cholecystokinin, the CCK – that helps your body recognize fullness. If we’re not getting enough fat, we don’t get that little ‘signal’, and therefore, we think we’re still hungry. So, when we’re eating our great, healthy fats, then we feel satisfied. We don’t feel the need to overeat. We are not battling and resisting. We’re setting ourselves up for success on a physiological level. That’s my favorite fact about fats.
Catherine: Yeah. You know what? What’s really wild is if you know, if you talk about satisfaction in a physiological level, from a practical point of view, one of the things that’s unusual about me, and one of the reasons that I became so overweight, is it takes me an unusually long time to get satisfied. They talked about how normally it takes about 20 minutes for your satiety signals to come in? Kristy Jo, I’ve timed this over and over and over, it takes me a full 45 minutes.
And so, for me personally, I have to slow my chewing way down. Also, when I’m done with my meal, I literally have to get up and get out of the dining room and do something else before my satiety kicks in. So, that’s my excuse. It’s so terrible! I tell my husband, like, “I can’t do the dishes right away. I have to leave the kitchen.”
Kristy Jo: I think that’s a great excuse. You used that.
Catherine: It’s wonderful. And he’s like, you know, he’s naturally slender so he was like, ‘Oh, here I am, doing the dishes again’. And I’m like, “I got to leave the table.”
I’m serious. Have you found this with satisfaction and it’s different for people how long it takes?
Kristy Jo: Oh it is. It really is. So, what you’ve is you’ve found a strategy on how to work best with your body. And that’s really important for all our listeners to understand. If your body won’t – maybe function exactly like your next-door neighbor, and your friend and your mom, but you’re paying attention, it’s internal recognition. Our bodies are our vehicle and our internal, our spirit, what I believe, has the power to recognize and control this body to a very high level but not until we look inward and say, ‘Well, what is my body telling me?’
Once you figure that out like you did, you set yourself up for success for the strategy around that. But yeah, everybody is going to have different satiety level, so don’t set your timer, and then if four minutes go by and then you didn’t hit it, then you’re broken. No-no-no.
Catherine: Now, one of the things that I want to start to turn our focus into, the other wonderful part of the health and fitness which is fitness and exercise and movement. We talked a little bit about how we incorporate that wonderful life fulfilling nutrition into our life.
Let’s change gears and start to talk about fitness, and movement, and training. How do you and your clients stay inspired to stick with their fitness lifestyle?
Kristy Jo: I think there’s a lot of internalization that has to be done. I’d like to talk about two separate points. The first one is weekly goal setting. I am the biggest, this advocate of goal setting.
So, I helped my client set an alarm clock to go off Sunday evening or whenever is most convenient for them and during that time, what they do, they’re also doing accountability form that maps out how to answer these questions.
But they look back over their week. They assessed how they’ve done, both their obstacles as well as their triumphs. And then, we set new goals for the next week. Very one-specific goal for nutrition fitness mindset and spirituality. Here’s a thing about the goal – it has to be specifically designed to overcome the obstacle of the previous week. So it becomes laser-focused, and so we see ourselves progressing baby step by baby step and continuing to move forward.
It’s not about perfection. There’s no such thing but we strive for progress and I think that keeps us excited when we have specific goals. I use 3×5 cards, I like to carry them around with me. Dashboard of your car, dry-erase markers on your mirror every week. Everyone knows that I’m always like, ‘Get your dry erase markers. Go write on your mirror.’
The second thing I wanted to talk about is actually, I got to experience this again for myself as I am preparing to talk to here today, Catherine. I was journaling. I was journaling about what my journey has been because I focused so much on teaching and teaching and educating and inspiring and motivating and – ah! When do I stop to say, “Dear Kristy Jo Hunt, congratulations on everyday progressing and being a little better and look how far you’ve come.”
How often do we stop to celebrate, and maybe the leak some tears of joy at the great things that we’re doing? Especially as women, we are so darn hard on ourselves. All we see are the things we’re not doing, rather than stopping and saying, “Okay, none of that talk.”
Remember about the voices? The voice, the master voice comes in and says, “You are doing wonderfully. Keep it up. You can do it. I believe in you.” And that is it.
Catherine: That’s so important. Well, you got to go back and look at the evidence. You know, because I know from what I know of you, there are books you’ve written. You’ve created programs. You’re in there, pitching and giving every day and there’s all these evidence of the things that you’ve accomplished. I think that is something I want my audience to really connect to is stop and look back at the evidence of how far you’ve come.
I know people, you know, in their first year of training and I’m sure you see this, too, it’s astonishing how — they can’t even do a kneeling push-up or they can’t even do a single proper squat and then all of the sudden, oh my gosh! You turned around a year later and all of a sudden, you’re doing all of these amazing physical feats that you can’t even come close to doing.
And then, I also think, I really want my audience to really get what you talked about before this concept that at the end of the week you look back at what was the biggest obstacle. And then, the week following, you actually deal with that obstacle. Kristy Jo, I’ve never heard it put exactly like that before that at the end of the week you look like, ‘Okay what got in my way’. For the following week, you actually make a choice to deal with what got in your way.
Kristy Jo: Yeah, I think it’s incredible when each of us, even today, look back and just take that 5 minute to reflect. We will see the power in our life. I know it because I’ve done it so many times and you feel directed, and you feel focused and you have a purpose.
That’s a big part of losing motivation. Back to our original question, when we lose motivation it’s because we don’t have a focus. We haven’t set a new goal and we completely obliterate that problem of lack of motivation when we are laser-focused on what we are trying to accomplish.
It doesn’t need to be outrageous. It could be something as simple as ‘I want my energy to increase by Friday.’ What am I going to do to put myself up to look back on Friday and say, ‘Wow! You are feeling better!’
Or, this got in your way. Let’s recalibrate the new goal. What got in your way? Was it that you didn’t prep? Okay, how can we fix that? You need to plan. It goes in your calendar, an alarm that you are going to shop on your way to work on Wednesday. Very specific.
Catherine: I have to tell you I’m hearing this – a great deal, and I’m also having the opportunity to use this in my coaching is how often when we have slips and issues in our nutrition at getting too hungry and going overboard how often because we didn’t prep.
Kristy Jo: Yes.
Catherine: Always, I mean, don’t you find that there is a really a high percentage of the time when people get in distress because they haven’t prepped their food?
Kristy Jo: Yes, that’s exactly it. If we don’t make it easy for our ourselves, how do we expect our selves when we are dealing with a very busy day and life, and we only have 10% of our brain that is conscious enough to make decisions. If we exhaust that by 9 A.M, good luck! If you do not increase the automaticity of your habits, being able to just have it there, that is the key to success. Very simple – plan and prepare.
Catherine: This is a really good time to start to ask you, do you have a program or website or a book that my audience can connect to that addresses the very things that you are talking about? Is there some way that they can access the coaching that you are offering?
Kristy Jo: Yes, absolutely. So, what I want to do is write down this URL which is powerfoodslifestyleblog.com. I have several different things on there. They can access my book, some of my trainings – I have 8-week challenges.
I coached one live and it is going right now. It’ll be that fall. But you know what, Catherine? I’ve given them a discount because they are your listening and you are such an amazing person and I appreciate the value you’re giving to the world. So, if they will use the code, Catherine, then, they can actually get a discount on any product. I’m excited at that, you know.
Catherine: That is Catherine with the C. So, that’s C-A-T-H-E-R-I-N-E. Oh thank you so much! I have to tell you —
Kristy Jo: Oh, it’s my pleasure!
Catherine: People are looking. This is what people tell me all the time and I am continually needing to step up my coaching and my offering. This is what people are saying, it’s like please tell me what to eat, tell me what to do, tell me how to prep. It definitely sounds like you got some resources where you are doing exactly that. I think you can agree that people need those practical techniques for getting the job done.
Kristy Jo: That’s so true. And it can be still so daunting and overwhelming. Until we get our hands held through it – you know, it just takes constant looking for it and paying attention and keeping an open mindset. And so I appreciate the opportunity to share that with your listeners.
Catherine: Well, I hope they take advantage of it because from my opportunity to talk to you on your Body Buddies podcast and also in this one here, I can really see. And, I got to tell you, anybody who tells you the first thing they say is you have to eat more vegetables is my friend, I tell you.
Kristy Jo: Yes!
Catherine: That really is. I keep beating that drum about “would you please eat your vegetables?” So as we get into the last third of the podcast, I want to turn our attention to what we do in order to get back on track when we gotten off track. One of the things that I do say is that the people I know who are, you know – we’ve heard of ‘The Biggest Loser’, I’d like to call them ‘The Longest Losers’.
Kristy Jo: Oh, that’s good.
Catherine: It sounds good. Yeah, and please, use it. Feel free. That is for everybody.
Kristy Jo: Thank you.
Catherine: One of the things that I see it in these individuals is they are certainly not perfect but they don’t allow their imperfections to make them quit. Are there some things that you see in yourself and in the people you worked with that helps them to keep going a long term and turn this into a lifestyle?
Kristy Jo: I think, there’s an analogy that may be helpful, and I actually have to do this in my life coaching group last night and the comments were like, “Thank you, I needed that.” So, we only to realize, number 1, we’re human! We’re human. If we think where there’s straight line to define what success is, we are sadly living in a world that is not here.
So, all of us need to accept the fact that we will have some fall-downs. Now, that’s not an excuse or a crutch to make an excuse. It is a realistic point of view. The way I choose to look at this, we are all on a track and that track is circular and it never ends. Until you’re dead, you got a body, you got to care for it.
Kristy Jo: So, in that process some people are walking, some people are jogging.
Some people are sprinting. Number 1 thing is never compare yourself to somebody who is not going your speed. If someone is sprinting, you kind of look at them, you look at the other walker and you say, “Yo! Let’s talk.” And you’ll say, you know, let’s work together to jog.
But know that you will fall down. You will fall down and you will skin your knees. But here is the difference – in people who make this is a lifestyle and those who are stuck in the cycle. The people who succeed get right back up. They got right back up and they wiped off their knees and they look and say, ‘Whoa! Learn from that one. Let’s go.”
And then, the people who don’t succeed unfortunately lay on the ground, their legs and hands in the air like a cockroach on its back and say, “Poor me! Life sucks! This is so hard!”
That attitude is the difference because vacations happens, emotion happens, crisis happen. I have an older brother who took his life in the midst of my own training. Do you know what? I mean, emotions for anybody has had someone close pass away, especially – unexpectedly, it can tear you on every emotional and psychological level.
But we realized that is not — even if our eating gets off track, we realize it is time to get back on and we do everything in our power to work through the emotions and the psychological disposition that that presents because life is hard we all go through hard things.
But if we listen to the correct voice from within, we seek to set those goals no matter how minute they are, even if that ‘I’m going to get up and drink eight ounces of water and I’ll totally care about my health today.’ If that’s where you are at, you do it. And you said that, ‘Girl, you rock it!
I’m like picturing this person on the track in there like slow motion walking – that’s fine, but you are moving. You’re moving, you’re not lying on the ground.
Catherine: Yes, and this is so true. I think that’s what I see and what was so sad to hear about your brother because what we realized now is that there are people who are living in spite of tragedy all around us every day.
Kristy Jo: Yeah, every day.
Catherine: You know, amazing people who are doing this and we don’t know their stories and so often, we look at somebody with envy and what we don’t realize is we don’t know necessarily what’s going on in at home and in their hearts. I think that this is true and I’m thinking and picturing rihttp://www.powerfoodslifestyle.com/powerupght now, my dear, dear students and clients who are the kind of people who just, man, they have this resilience. It’s kind of like resilience mixed with grit.
Kristy Jo: I love both of those words. It’s so true, being able to look up for it.
Catherine: Both sides of a wonderful coin, and also one of the things that I do notice about the people who I have worked with who keep going is that they love life in spite of their own imperfections – that the fact that they are not at certain age or in certain size – it doesn’t matter to them. They are going to go out and they are going to live life for all that is worth in spite of the fact that they do sometimes fall down and skin their knees.
Kristy Jo: Right, I think it best take having a much broader perspective of life. And for me, I know a lot of that comes from my own personal belief. But for all of us, I think, taking that step back to say what am I here for and how can I fulfill a mission.
But having a purpose, every single one of us have a purpose, and it doesn’t need to be grandiose, it can be. But when we look inside to say what unique value do I have to add, whether it is being able to cheer somebody up, whether it is writing a phenomenal book series.
Whatever it is, but cultivating that and realizing we are not here just a pass time and to exist. We are here to grow, we are here to learn, and that mentality is what keeps us getting back up whenever we skin our knees.
Catherine: Well, I think one of the last areas I really would love to look into a little bit on this podcast is I had an opportunity is that you’ve posted some choreography that you did. It was so delightful to be able to watch that and see that you and I think there are about five other women who are dancing with you. I just thought it was lovely.
Kristy Jo: Oh, thank you.
Catherine: You are most welcome, and thank you. Thank you for posting it. I guess, maybe, I am kind of asking for some coaching for myself right now. I think as a dancer and someone who has also worked as a choreographer, I find that I limit myself because, you know, you wanted to be so good before you reveal it to the world. I guess what I’m asking for is, is there are some advice that you give us on overcoming perfectionism?
Kristy Jo: Oh, I love this. Yes! I’ve been there. Most of my life and it is definitely a personality type. So, a few years ago, I don’t know where it came from but the idea came to me that I had a margin of imperfection – it was impossible for me as a human to achieve perfection in this life.
I could strive for it but I wasn’t going to hold myself up to this high-level of whatever, especially with dance. Because, oh, my goodness, it’s hard! It’s hard to put something out there that’s less than perfect. If I had it my way, I would referred these dancers for months it would be clean and perfect, and then brilliant lighting and costuming and all the right videography. But you know what? I thought an hour-and-a-half master class. The way I chose to look at it was every flaw – I no longer see it as a flaw. WABI-SABI, I can’t remember what culture now. I should go back to the seminar I taught on it.
Catherine: I love it, I love it!
Kristy Jo: Perfectly Imperfect. It’s a mindset shift where we see beauty in the imperfection because of play and dance. Here’s what I love about dance – everybody interprets choreography differently. Everybody. And so when a person uniquely has able to put out a feeling and the purpose for the movement, you get proper movement.
I passed the point where I was, I did entertainment dance most of my teenage years and early twenties, coaching drill thing – all that type of thing. But then, I moved in to the artistic form which you don’t even move an arm unless there is purpose for it and it engages deep within in your core, in your heart. And so throwing flaws in the margin of infections saying it belongs there and it’s a beautiful thing – perfectly imperfect. I hope that helps.
Catherine: Got it. So it is in some ways, what you’re saying is that it is the imperfection itself that makes it even more of an art form.
Kristy Jo: Yes. And you know what? I think where this stems from is the fact that I have 50 degree scoliosis.
Catherine: Oh, wow!
Kristy Jo: I am the most aesthetically unpleasing body you would see if stood how my body told me to stand, but I’ve trained myself to stand up correctly. But when you see my x-rays —
Catherine: Oh, my gosh!
Kristy Jo: And you’ll see –. I’m a very good poser with all my body photography. However, if you saw me as a normal person and you saw how my anatomy was programmed, I am anything but perfect. I have a hunched shoulder, I have a short hip. I have one lung that is impinged. I have one leg longer that the other. The fat on my back, and I love my fat. And it’s okay with that word –the body fat, the skin fold over on one side of my waist more than the other.
And you know what? I look at my photo, I used to look at them, and I used to say “You’re disgusting”. That was the wrong voice. Those were the wrong voices. And now, I looked at those photos and say, “You are an incredible person working in this imperfect body and doing the best you can with it.”
Catherine: I think that that’s a wonderful way to go ahead and come as we come to the close of this is Sugar Freedom Show, is understanding that it isn’t in many ways that the imperfection that makes us unique and human. One of the things that I do say to my clients is when they come in and they got a long way to go and it’s like, wow I am over 50 and I got to lose over 50 pounds or whatever. What I say to them is, “Wow! The farther you come, the more of an inspiration you will be”.
And I think you really are, you really are an inspiration Kristy Jo. I mean to talk about literally having a spine that is curved and saying, nope, I am going to dance anyway —
Kristy Jo: Thank you.
Catherine: And as I said, if somebody who you saw that piece – and I was so grateful to see it. I want to encourage anyone who is listening to the show who is an artist of any kind – whether you are a writer, a poet, a singer, a dancer, or you work in an arts and crafts, it’s like oh, my gosh! Get that stuff out there so that people can see it and enjoy it and be inspired by it.
Kristy Jo: Oh, what a wonderful advice.
Catherine: Oh, Kristy Jo, It’s been an inspiring podcast and I’m so grateful that I got to have you here on the Sugar Freedom Show. Would you please, one more time, say the name of your website where people can find more information and learn more about you? Can you say it one more time?
Kristy Jo: Yes, absolutely. It’s powerfoodslifestyleblog.com. Thank you, Catherine! I have enjoyed this immensely. You are someone that I really look up to and admire. I know all of my listeners have benefited from having you on the Body Buddies Podcast, and so thank you for putting that out in the world. You throw those ‘in the margin of imperfection, and we embrace everything’. Life is good, life is wonderful, isn’t it?
Catherine: I agree, and let’s keep creating. I just want to thank you for being here on the Sugar Freedom Show. Bye-bye to my audience and make it a great day.
Kristy Jo: Thank you.