Vaccinations have long been the center of ethical scrutiny. Though on one hand, mandatory vaccinations have been responsible for eradicating many issues of days gone by like smallpox, measles, and polio, many are now arguing that vaccinations are responsible for many of the serious health concerns our population is facing.
In this blog post, you will read the transcription of a conversation I had with Dr. Jay Shetlin, Chiropractic Physician of South Jordan, Utah. Our goal behind this conversation was to open the dialogue, explore both pro- and anti- arguments, and help those who read, watch, or listen to this conversation to think more critically.
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Kristy Jo: We’re here in South Jordan. We’re going to discuss and have a really open dialogue about vaccinations. I haven’t heard a ton about the efficacy of vaccinations from a lot of different sources, the number one place I really starting to hear about this and think about this differently once from Dr. Shetlin. He is the author of Future Health: Aging Gracefully to 100 Years and Beyond.
Fun fact, Dr. Shetlin has been my chiropractor for many years. Wonderful educator, friend, person. Let’s just roll into this unless there’s anything else you’d like to introduce about yourself or that we should know about you?
Dr. Shetlin: It’s a very diverse topic and it’s a very polarizing topic because, unfortunately, we like labels as human beings and unfortunately this topic has become pro-vaccine or anti-vaccine. I want to just throw those labels out right from the beginning because we shouldn’t be thinking that way–we shouldn’t be thinking pro-education and pro-decision but we shouldn’t be pro- or anti- anything.
Kristy Jo: I love that. So being curious and thinking critically. First and foremost, what do people not really understand about vaccinations that they should?
Dr. Shetlin: Though they’re designed to help and it’s a great proactive effort from the medical model, because most of the time and like the most reactive, now you have a pain or a problem or a symptom let’s react and try to do something to palpitate that symptom.
There’s a very proactive step of trying to prevent problems and though prevention is definitely the way we want to go on our health, we want to be proactive on our health. Too much of anything can be bad, right. Too much of a good even can be bad.
So now it has grown where we just have so many vaccines coming out and that are scheduled for our kids these days. I think we’re kind of overdoing it and so we want to be selective and educate ourselves on which is best one and pick and choose, not let some piece of paper with a list dictate to us what is best for our health or our child’s health. That’s what I will suggest.
There are things out there–I don’t know if you’re aware of this but there’s an AIDS vaccine in preparation right now. I would have a hard time as a parent taking the risk of injecting AIDS into my child hoping that it’ll helps him prevent AIDS.
Kristy Jo: Right.
Dr. Shetlin: But the main thing, I think, that parents need to realize or people need to realize with vaccines is that there is a proper time and place for them for sure. There are certain ones that are more beneficial depending where we live or where we are visiting in the world.
But we have to realize besides the active ingredient that they’re trying to develop an immunity to, or get early exposure to on a weakened stage so we can build those immune bodies to help if we are exposed to it again, have a preemptive strike ready, there’s also a lot of byproducts that are in there.
They’re really the more unhealthy things for us. The things that we uses – shelving agents or preservatives –those are the things that are seeming to cause the problems more than the actual active ingredients.
Kristy Jo: Things that are causing problems like what?
Dr. Shetlin: Well, like mercury and aluminum and other shelving agents that we used in there. They are toxin to our body. I mean if it’s to kill viruses or bacteria or something from growing in that vial while sitting on the shelf until we actually inject it into a person, it’s probably not very healthy for us. Let’s face it, in our gut we have more bacteria than we have cells in our entire body.
So we take some of these anti-bacterial, it can’t distinguish the good bacteria from the bad. It just lines all of them, and mows them all down. Hopefully the bad ones die off, and the good ones there’s enough left to them then reproduce and come back strong again. That’s how antibiotics work.
With vaccines, there are things in there that’s just simply are harmful to our health and we’re hoping we’re taking them in small enough quantities that there’s more good than harm.
Kristy Jo: Now, when you say mercury and aluminum… so those are metals. Now, in some of the research I’ve done and lot of studies they’re finding that metals can often be correlated… I don’t know that they directly link it to causation of Autism or any of these hyperactive disorders, but in any of the information you have is there any link at all to those metals?
Dr. Shetlin: There’s a lot more connection to that than we hear. We always hear them on the news because the news is primarily funded by the drug companies. So there’s a very biased opinions there. I mean let’s face it, that’s follow the smell of money.
Kristy Jo: Do you think people know that?
Dr. Shetlin: I don’t know if the public knows that enough.
Kristy Jo: I don’t think they know it.
Dr. Shetlin: But if you’re to watch one hour of the evening news like nightly news and just count the drug commercials in that one hour, you’ll be shocked. Most of us are just kind of numb to it.
I remember watching the news — I was sick one day down at St. George. (I’ve missed work 5 days out of my 18 years). And then one day, I’m like “Alright, I gonna make this productive.” I sat there with a clicker and I watched one channel – just one for eight hours and there was 140 drug commercials in that 8 hours.
So we’re constantly bombarded by if you have this symptoms, you need this pill of potion and unfortunately that’s become our health model and medical model. Yeah, drug companies do run that.
I’m grateful we’re living in the era where we have the drugs that we do, but unfortunately in New Zealand and America, we really over utilize them and it has created a health crisis because of overutilization of drugs. I know I kind of went off the tangent on what you’re talking but —
Kristy Jo: I love it because I think that’s an important point. In order to even have this conversation we have to look differently in the way we think and bringing up the fact of what our model is. That it’s “Symptom–treat it. Symptom–treat it.” Here at Body Buddies a lot of people know we discuss the conventional approach to any issue in our body and looking deeper and asking what’s causing this?
Going back to the metals, I heard “Okay, there’s really not an issue with there being mercury or aluminum” in these vaccinations because, like one study even said “breast milk has — a child is going to get aluminum.”
Well, my first thought was, “Well, is the mother overeating the fish and the tuna and the things that maybe she shouldn’t be doing?” There’s a variable that wasn’t taken into consideration, and before we even started filming you were talking a little bit about how it is the amount at that one time of vaccination. Do you mind explaining that a little bit?
Dr. Shetlin: All of the vaccines are designed for an adult to take that quantity of that vaccine. So when we take a vial or something that we inject into our body, past all of our natural immunity–our skin, our lymph nodes, our stomach acids… everything is being bypassed, immune system wise directed right directly into our bloodstream, which of course typically across the blood-brain barrier and that where we end up with other problem.s
I got a vial for a 150-180 lb. adult and I put that in 8, 10-12 l.b child or 20 lb. kid, they’re getting 5 to 10 times the dose for their body size that they should be getting. We’re saying that’s normal but that’s not normal and there’s a great deal of research out there.
Matter of fact, C-span back in 2003 there was this fantastic — it was three hours of very boring law argument and stuff where one of the Congressmen brought in all these speakers and one of them explained this exact topic.
I narrowed it down to 16-minutes of powerful information and it’s available on the website, on my website (sojochiro.com), if you go on the video you can find it. But any drug we take is going to have an effect and a side effect because they’re so potent.
So we have to realize vaccines are not one way street. It’s not like eating a banana that is only helpful and not harmful. There’s going to be some help and some harm and we got to take that into consideration. So if we look at something like the mumps. Well, mumps don’t kill us–not in this day and age, but not in a first world country.
Is the risk of actually getting the mumps like 1 in a 100,000 chance of that versus having an adverse reactions to overdosing on the toxins that are in that drug, 1 in 1,800? We, as parents, have to weigh out if it’s really worth doing that?
When you look at something like typhoid, well, we don’t have typhoid here. Is it worth the risk of having some adverse side effect by doing that here? But if we are an adult and were travelling overseas to a third world country, it’s definitely worth it. So there are the right times for those things. I think I went off on another tangent again.
Kristy Jo: No, I love it. I mean, this is fun to just explore it. I’m not a parent right now. Let’s project maybe 5 years I have my first child, and I’m sitting there. Is there anything that I am required by law to make sure that my child has? I live in Utah–I know there’s different states…
Dr. Shetlin: Different states have different laws. For the example, California and Texas, you have lost the right as a parent for your child. Your child is property of the state now. In those states, if you don’t vaccinate, you can lose your child. I cannot believe we’ve allowed our laws to get to this point.
But in most of the states, you have one of three reasons where you cannot vaccinate or choose to vaccinate, you know, “pick and choose.” Either religious reasons–philosophical reasons like you don’t agree with it, which is nice–not all states have that but most of them have religious reason or the last one being your concern for the health of your child – they’re sensitive to mercury, or aluminum or some other concern.
Kristy Jo: At that point, it’s kind of emotional, right? I’m like, “Okay, I’m worried. I don’t want my child to be at risk for these diseases.” What, MMR? What does that stand for–mumps, measles and rubella?
Dr. Shetlin: Mumps, measles and rubella
Kristy Jo: What other typical vaccinations happen in the first 5-years of a child’s life?
Dr. Shetlin: I can’t list them all on the paper in front of me but when I graduated from high school, I’m middle age, there were 14 vaccines we had to have if we’re up to snuff with our paperwork when we graduated high school.
Today, it’s 68 — 38 of which are before the child is 18 months old. That’s a lot of toxins that we are injecting directly in the bloodstream of our child in the hopes that we’re helping their health. But when you look at the statistics from the 80’s, when we really started increasing vaccines and coming up with newer and more and more and we look at the increase of vaccines, and we look at the increase of Autism which I know that’s a scary one like, “Oh, there’s no correlation.”
Oh, yeah! There is. As a matter-of-fact, the research that we get in the media is all based on what comes in from the drug companies that say they tested it before they put it out there. So it’s a very biased opinion.
The research is out there and there’s like volumes of research out there but most of us don’t know about it or where to find.
Kristy Jo: What is this book?
Dr. Shetlin: This book is from — it’s a vaccine research compilation and it’s from Vaccines Revealed which is where they interviewed really brilliant people that used to work for the CDC and they know the behind-the-scenes of the vaccines and the real statistics that are out there that isn’t published to the books.
You can really tweak statistics. There’s a joke out there:
There’s liars, there’s really bad liars, and there’s statisticians.
You can always tweak the numbers to make it look like you want it to look like.
Kristy Jo: Yeah, or leaving out a variable of a study that “way wasn’t relevant and so we can skew our outcome this way.” It happens so much, doesn’t it?
Dr. Shetlin: Yeah. Well, they did 20 hours of video and audio interviews of some brilliant people out there that have worked in the research side of vaccines or worked at the CDC and that was exactly one that pops up in my mind. One of them had said, “Oh, the statistics weren’t looking the way we wanted so we took this one variable out and, Boom! All of a sudden this look like they were great vaccines for us when they really were very harmful. But you can’t sell drugs if you’re putting out stats that are harmful.
So it’s our responsibility, unfortunately, to seek out the truth and it’s hard to find sometimes because it’s hidden by billions of dollars of other marketing.
And again, I don’t want to be pro- or anti-. I just want to be education-oriented. If people can just be patient, seek it out, get educated and then make a decision, then we are empowered as parents and adults.
But when you got a newborn kid, let’s say five years from now, all of a sudden your paradigm shifts and all of a sudden, when you go in to see your pediatrician or the nurse either at the school or wherever, there’s a lot of pressure to follow this list on a pieces of paper. There’s a lot of psychological warfare on you’re a bad parent if you don’t do this stuff.
Kristy Jo: I’ve heard that from a lot of people
Dr. Shetlin: Yeah and it’s not that we’re bad parent. We’re trying to listen to that innate intelligence and protect our offspring. The simplest way I can say is “less is more.”
When in doubt, wait. I speak from experience, folks.
Again, I’m a parent. I’m not an authority on vaccines. Yes, I’ve researched very heavily into it for the chapter that’s in the book, Future Health and even that is getting a little outdated because it’s been a few years. There’s new stuff that came out this year, blew my mind how many research articles are out there saying this isn’t so healthy.
But I have to say we got to do our homework and have to stand our ground as parents and as individuals. The ones that don’t have much to say are the military because they are property of the state and when you’re in the military, they said they want to vaccinate you before they blow you off to overseas, unfortunately, you have to follow the rules.
Kristy Jo: Right. Out of the mercury and aluminum, which one do you think is the greater toxin? The greater problem for us?
Dr. Shetlin: Mercury is one of the most toxic elements on the planet Earth. That’s definitely a tough one and it settles into the fat cells in your brain and so that I think is the worst.
However, aluminum is a close second. If we keep overdosing, so to speak, getting too much exposure to aluminum it leads to diseases like Alzheimer’s and things like that. As a matter of fact, like when we have 5 flu vaccines in a row each year, we are 10 times more likely to develop Alzheimer’s.
Kristy Jo: Wow!
Dr. Shetlin: Going back to that statistical graph, when we start looking from the 80’s to current, it’s not just Autism which is big. And in Utah, we have more cases of Autism than any other state because we’re so good at following the rules. I mean people are like, “Oh, I have to get line and follow the rules, right?”
So we have it worse than anybody and that is a life-changing problem.
If I look at it, if I have a new kid or a new grandkid and the pressure is on to heavily vaccinate, I’m going to say, “I’m sorry. We’re selecting carefully because I’d rather see this child grow up and maybe have to fight a few diseases,” (which are doubtful because we pretty much eradicated just about everything. I mean, Polio’s gone. You know, we were talking about that earlier).The interesting thing is when we look at the stats, Polio was dying out before the vaccine even got there. When we finally stop hoarding our vaccines and shared them with England, it was already almost eradicated on its own. It hd gone its natural cycle and our own immunity have build up to it.
Sometimes, we give a lot of credit to the vaccines that better hygiene, personal hygiene, running water, flushing toilets, those kind of things have help us a lot more than injecting stuff
Kristy Jo: Sure
Dr. Shetlin: Man! I keep going off my tangent. I’m sorry. One more quick thing. So if we look at the 80’s to current, the explosion of autoimmune disorders, MS, even asthma–these kind of things have gone off the chart since we started more heavily vaccinating. It’s not just Autism. We kind of gotta step back and look at the big picture and go, well, are we really smarter than — for those who are religious, are we smarter than God? Are we smarter than innate intelligence that functions within us for our bodies to self-regulate? Are we really that smart to inject all of these chemicals in there that try to alter our immune system?
Kristy Jo: That’s an interesting thought to ponder. I can’t help but think because everybody and all the research I’m doing is everyone tries to put all the reasons for these growth and the diseases and problems, you know on one thing. Could it potentially be that it’s multiple–that all of the pharmaceutical, the vaccination, our changes in food–all of it is contributing so much to you think is as part of it.
Dr. Shetlin: Exactly right. You are so right on because I don’t want to — that’s where the education part. It’s not just the vaccines. Granted we’re getting, I think, way too many and there are chemicals we’re injecting directly into our body but look at that reacting with other biochemical things going on our body like GMO foods and other things that have already lowered our immune system and altered us on a cellular level and now we’re injecting these things and now we’re having these reactions.
In fairness I can see why some of the researchers in the pharmaceutical world are all going, “Wait, don’t blame the vaccine.” It doesn’t make sense, but we are more complicated than that. We’re living in a different environment across the country and we’re exposed to different chemicals in our environment. We’re exposed to different foods and then you put these chemicals on top of it that we are electing to inject in, that’s the big variable.
To be fair, that’s the biggest variable but it’s not just that. It’s the combination of things. You hit it right on there.
Kristy Jo: What I’m observing is it’s not so much about who’s right and what’s right, it’s more about are we critical thinkers? Are we learning to ask deeper questions? Are we challenging what we’re told?
Like you mentioned Utah is the number one state for this following what we’re told to do. That makes me wonder why is that happening to us? Why are we so persuaded to just to do whatever any legislation comes out and tells us to do. How can we grow in our ability to challenge these things? How do we build that personal trust and know where to research? That’s kind of a big question but, how have you kind of shifted into that self-thinking, independent spirit that you are?
Dr. Shetlin: It’s just that questions popped up, and you do the homework, right? Then you start to formulate your own opinions and then you got to formulate those opinions where they’re strong enough to stand your ground when doubts for threats hit it and that’s what for most of us.
We get a little bit comfortable like, hey, ‘m thinking about this and maybe this isn’t as good of a thing as we thought. But a little bit of pressure from the nurse or a pediatrician and say, “Okay, well then, I don’t want to be a bad parent.”
So that’s the tough part is. How do we get enough of the — I don’t know what to say other than testimony about the education that you’ve gathered to stand your ground with it. It’s tough. I mean the pressure out there is really strong.
Kristy Jo: It kind of reminded me of something that happened in the summer. Do you remember when that sensationalist headline came out about coconut oil and everybody went ballistic because this headline said coconut oil is bad for you. It’s going to raise your cholesterol, instead you should be doing vegetable oil, which most people who are into any form of functional nutrition or medicine know differently.
We know those hydrogenated fats are not good for us yet how many people had been educated. Yet, one headline came out and they went, “Oh! I was wrong” and that was a good example of just how quickly one headline from the New York Times or Huffington Post or CNN can make people go “Oh no, like I was wrong.”
So again, coming back to who’s funding all of this, and becoming that thinker. What advice would you give people to just help them not be swayed so easily?
Dr. Shetlin: You have to find your proper sources like you at Body Buddies because you’re doing your homework diligently before you share. So here — it’s tough for me because it’s hard to be a parent in this day and age. We are so bombarded with negativity on the news and the news is funded primarily by drug companies.
When you see an article in the news or on TV it’s hard because it’s usually misinformation. Why? To scare into selling something. I wrestle this with my patients all the time because it’s like, I’m a small voice here, small voice–together as parents, we’re small voices but we’re the ones who make up our government.
If we are making the movement then our legislature has to make the right choices. But if we let dollars push it instead of grassroots opinion, that’s where we step behind the wheel of being victims of marketing than educating consumers because let’s face it marketing is dirty.
Kristy Jo: It’s dirty – that is a good word for it. It is. We talk about that a lot here at Body Buddies. One thing that I appreciate about all this conversation is that, again, this is neither pro nor against vaccines–we’re trying to open a conversation and help you become thinkers and help you learn to ask those deeper questions and challenge the status quo. Challenge what you’re told. Learn how to look critically at those headlines or to ask what variable was left out in this inclusive data about we’re being presented with.
I so appreciate this. Have you had any like personal experiences or with your children or patients with vaccines that maybe, again, not to like scare but has there been anything that maybe did bring up a little bit more understanding of maybe this isn’t the right thing?
Dr. Shetlin: Where I first started this journey, even being a Chiropractic Physician, which we’re very natural and health oriented. We’re trained to be neurologists but we use nutrition and chiropractic adjustments rather than drugs or surgery.
My youngest child had an adverse reaction to her first round of drugs and then ended up in ER visit. Of course they always try to defer it to something else like, look, she was perfectly fine. Two hours after her vaccine she’s unconscious and floppy. This is terrifying stuff.
So that’s where my journey started with getting educated on this and I just realized, you know what? I’d rather not do this things and see what happens. I gotta say, I have four kids and they are the healthiest kids at school. I know sometimes the school calls up and said, “Oh, there’s a scare of this going on so we need to see your kids on.” Great, send them home. That’s fine.
They try to scare you at school like, “Oh, well, all our kids are going to get sick. If your kid get sick because they’re not vaccinated.” Well, that doesn’t make any sense because if you believe the vaccine’s working, then if my kids get sick, then your kids won’t get sick.
The other kids weren’t vaccinated but where I got the really powerful story and it’s kind of salt and peppered through Future Health, but Harrison has his own book that I helped him write when he was 12.
Kristy Jo: Your youngest?
Dr. Shetlin: Yeah, my youngest child. He hit up a really serious case of meningitis when he was just two days old and the antibiotics at that time to help fight that were very strong.
And as I’m reading those side-effects, as they loading him up with all these antibiotics to try to save his life, they said this may cause permanent deafness, which his mom is permanently deaf because she had meningitis when she was a kid–no relation how the two of them have that, but they helped save her life but they caused deafness.
May cause permanent kidney problem, may cause permanent motor neurological problems known as Cerebral Palsy which for those of you who knows somebody who has Cerebral Palsy, their brain works great but the information sending from the brain to the muscles to fire properly is completely messed up. They usually have a wonky walk, or their arm doesn’t work and it’s tough. It’s a really tough physical challenge to deal with, but it’s a neurological disorder.
The things that we are talking about–aluminum, mercury, those are nerve toxic agents. When he was just two months old after we fought through this and he survived, thank goodness, and we’re going in for our well-baby check, the pediatrician and actually and down in St. George, brilliant guy, says, “Alright. Well, he is not going to be right for the rest of his life. He’s got Cerebral Palsy and lets get him vaccinated.”
I said, “Wait a minute, Doc. He’s got a neurological disorder, why would we want to put nerve toxic agents directly into his bloodstream right now? Wouldn’t it be wise to wait or just not?”
And thank goodness he was a good, open-minded pediatrician because some of them have a lot of pressure from their associations to vaccinate, vaccinate, vaccinate.
He was like, “You know? It’s ok to wait for a while. Let’s just do that.”
And miraculously, over the course of the years–and it didn’t happen overnight, it takes years–sometimes for people to get better it takes months if you’re trying to change your body, right? If we gain weight or we’re trying to lose weight and get healthier, it doesn’t happen overnight. It’s not instant.
Kristy Jo: It’s evolution.
Dr. Shetlin: It is. His evolution was from a completely floppy baby with his eyes rolled up in his head and extension dominant because of this —
Kristy Jo: I remember.
Dr. Shetlin: Yeah, it was bad. It took years but with chiropractic, good nutrition, and the power of prayer, I got to give credit to where credit is due.
Kristy Jo: It’s an amazing story. It really is.
Dr. Shetlin: Yeah, [choked]. Sorry. I get choked up whenever I tell this story. So anyway, we chose not to vaccinate. We chose not to vaccinate. We chose to get nutritional building blocks in his mom when she was breastfeeding–keep the toxins out. She had to be a pure vessel for the food that she was feeding him.
When he was old enough to eat on his own, he had to get good nutrition in, keep the toxins out including vaccines, in my opinion, they’re toxins. Little by little, that kid has miraculously overcome the impossible.
Cerebral Palsy–if you ask your medical doctor or your pediatricians out there, “Hey, is there a cure for cerebral palsy?” They’ll say, “No, that’s a life-long problem.”
But you cannot tell this kid from any other kid on the street. That’s how powerful it is when we keep those toxins out of the body, we get the right nutrition in, and you exercise and you do the right things, do the things you’re teaching people to be healthy.
Trust in your body, it’s amazing. The innate intelligence, it wants you to function 100% if you’ll just help it.
Kristy Jo: Help it. That’s really it. A lot of people think of it like you have to force your body to be healthy. It’s like, no, just get out of the way. How about that?
Dr. Shetlin: Yeah, exactly.
Kristy Jo: Amazing.
Dr. Shetlin: Exactly
Kristy Jo: Well, I’m just so grateful for your time and sharing this. Again, opening the dialog and helping people think. Where can we get your book, Future Health?
Dr. Shetlin: It is available at amazon.com or you can get it at Dr. Jay Shetlin.
Three months ago when we got hit in the freeway by ambulance.
Kristy Jo: And by a miracle, he’s here alive.
Dr. Shetlin: Yeah, and so the car is gone and totalled. We just about died but miraculously, we’re still here.
Kristy Jo: Those photos on Facebook when I saw them were shocking. We’re just absolutely mortified.
Dr. Shetlin: Yeah
Kristy Jo: You obviously have a mission to continue. Thank you for having a mission.Any follow-up questions you guys have please definitely post them and maybe we’ll have to do a follow up session or something but thank you so much, Dr. Shetlin.
Dr. Shetlin: All my pleasure. my pleasure good luck to everybody out there. It’s tough being a parent these days especially these big questions asked. Hang in there, be strong in your decisions.